This is in response to Mr.Venkat's rant about Buddhism being  'Godless' etc.  	My considered opinion is that Sankara is completely mediocre -  compared to the Buddha - and the few bits of his commentaries that make  any sense at all are all plagiarised from Buddhist teachings. That the  rest of the world considers Buddhism India's greatest gift to the world,  and Sankara, if anybody has heard of him at all, as narrow and parochial  proves my point. This is why Hindus, especially the 'upper' caste ones  like Mr.Venkat, are so worked up. The world is quickly becoming aware of  the seriousness of the crime of untouchability, and Indians, at least  those with a conscience, are forsaking this religion in droves. There is  not much time left as Toynbee predicts, for the 'upper' castes will rather  go down with their leaking decrepit ship than dismantle their millenia old  evil structures.  			--------------------This is the account of the encounter of Vacchagotta with the Buddha in the  Majjhima Nikaya from T.R.V.Murti's "The Central Philosophy of Buddhism"  (also see Warren's "Buddhism in Translations", Stcherbatsky's "The  Conception of Buddhist Nirvana") when he poses the following questions -  	"... 1. Whether the world is eternal, or not, or both, or neither; 2. Whether the world is finite (in space), or infinite, or both, or  neither; 3. Whether the Tathagata exists after death, or does not, or both, or  neither; 4. Is the soul identical with the body or different from it? The Buddha in response remains silent. But Vacchagotta persists with "But  has Gotama any theory of his own?" ... ... ... Buddha's solution of the problem: The formulation of the problem in the thesis-antithesis form is itself  evidence of the awareness of the conflict in Reason. ... Speculative  metaphysics provokes not only difference but also opposition; if one  theorist says "yes" to a question, the other says "no" to the same. We  know from the dialogues that Buddha was acquainted with the different  speculations. The opening dialogue of the Digha Nikaya indicates the  standpoint of Buddha. He characterises all speculations as "dogmatism" and  consistently refuses to be drawn into the net. He is conscious of the  interminable nature of conflict, and resolves it by rising to the higher  standpoint of criticism. Dialectic was born. To Buddha, then, belongs the  honour of having discovered the dialectic long before anything  approximating to it was formulated in the West. We contend that Buddha  reached a very high point of philosophic consciousness, and he did give an  answer to the problem - the only answer possible for a critic of  experience. ... On the opposition of the eternalist and nihilist views,  Buddha erected another and more fundamental opposition - that between  dogmatism and criticism which is the analytic or reflexive awareness of  them as dogmatic theories. Criticism is deliverance of the human mind from  all entanglements and passions. It is freedom itself. This is the true  Madhyamika standpoint. ... .... ... So the Buddha finally tells Vachagotha: The Tathagata, O Vaccha, is FREE FROM ALL THEORIES. But this, Vaccha, does  the Tathagata know - the nature of form, and how form arises and how form  perishes. Therefore the Tathagata has attained deliverance and is free  from attachment, inasmuch as all imaginings, or agitations, or false  notions, concerning an Ego or anything pertaining to an Ego, have  perished, have faded away, have ceased, have been given up and  relinquished. ... ... To hold that the world is eternal or to hold that it is not, or to  agree to any other of the propositions you adduce, Vaccha, is the jungle  of theorising, the wilderness of theorising, the tangle of theorising, the  bondage and shackles of theorising, attended by ill, distress, pertubation  and fever; it conduces not to detachment, passionlessness, tranquility,  peace, to knowledge and wisdom of Nirvana. This is the danger I percieve  in these views which makes me discard them all. ... ... Buddha's position was not nihilism even in an implicit form. Neither  Buddha nor any Buddhist system ever took this to be so. Buddha avers in  the most explicit terms the existence of Nirvana as the implication of his  doctrine and the spiritual discipline. Numerous are the passages in which  Nirvana is spoken of in positive terms as a reality beyond all suffering  and change, as unfading, still, undecaying, taintless, as peace, blissful.  It is an island, the refuge and the goal. In a celebrated Udana passage  Buddha says: There is a not-born, a not-become, a not-created, a  not-formed. If there were not this not-born, this not-become, this  not-created, this not-formed, there would not be the escape, the way out  of this bondage. ... ------------------------------------ Replying to this email will send an e-mail to 8500+ members of Jharkhand Forum.  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ About Jharkhand Forum @ http://www.jharkhand.org.in/about-jharkhand-forum Jharkhand Forum's Posting Norms http://jharkhand.org.in/posting_norms.htm Add your ORG Name in Directory - http://directory.jharkhand.org.in Join Jharkhand Network to Make New Friends @ http://JHARKHAND.ning.com  Jharkhand Forum is run by Internet Volunteer Groups, if you wish to  join it then follow this link http://volunteer.jharkhand.org.in +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ CHECK OUT JHARKHAND BLOG @ http://Jharkhand.org.in/blog MAKE FUNDING SUPPORT APPEAL HERE @ http://FUNDING-APPEAL.blogspot.com  Get a FREE website for your NGO @ Http://Gift.Jharkhand.Org.In Check out previous messages @ http://egroups.com/list/Jharkhand/messages +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Get yourname@jharkhandi.com by sending a blank mail to info@jharkhandi.com Yahoo! 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